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Father forgive them. They know not what they do.
...OR DO THEY?
By introducing some of the new wave converts, The Path to Rome gives a glimpse of a possible future for the church. As we enter the third millennium, Catholicism, Evangelicalism and Orthodoxy will continue to converge. From this book a vision emerges in which old cultural, national and doctrinal controversies become increasingly irrelevant. Then as the age of Reform draws to a close and the millennium of division gives way to a “Second Spring,” the Church may once more speak with a united voice. [4]
This idea that a “Second Spring” (or as some call it, a “Second Pentecost”) is about to dawn is fascinating in light of Bible prophecy. Is it a grand delusion that will overtake the world in the name of Christ? Why aren't more people paying attention?"
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"Longenecker also accurately points out that this present ecumenical phenomenon is largely the result of a plan that originated in Rome and is sanctioned by the pope. He states:
The Pope calls for all Christians to [a] profound conversion of heart in order for ecumenism to take place.… He calls Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants to move [forward] into a new reformation of the Church.… In an encyclical that should be read by all Christians, the Pope calls the whole church to join in [a] quest for a new kind of Christianity in which all Christians can once more unite. [6]
The term “new kind of Christianity” is very familiar in light of the propaganda being promoted by Emerging Church proponents. This is exactly what Brian Mc Laren and others have been calling for. It's the Church on the Other Side. It’s The Secret Message of Jesus that is changing the very definition of what it means to be an evangelical.
As well, the idea that a “new reformation” is in the process of taking place is another battle cry of Emergent promoters. The Reformation was a time in church history when Christianity was led out of darkness into light. This so-called new reformation is leading Christianity out of the light back into the darkness.
In fact, this “new kind of Christianity” brought about by the new reformation is no reformation at all. It is the apostasy that the Bible warns will take place in the last days that will deceive the whole world in the name of the Jesus Christ."
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"But there is more! Longenecker further explains how the Roman Catholic New Evangelization program has benefited from programs implemented by “evangelical” groups and their “evangelism” programs:
While Scott Hahn, Patrick Madrid, and others work as converts to Catholicism, the Catholic Church is learning from Evangelicals in other ways. In the United States, England and Latin America, Catholics are learning how to do primary evangelism using an adapted form of the highly successful, Evangelical Anglican “Alpha” course which originates from Holy Trinity, Brompton. Through this course and other resources, modern lay Catholics are learning to understand and communicate their faith with an open-ness and zeal unheard of before. [9]
I find this statement amazing. Before Pope John Paul II died, Nicky Gumbel, founder of the Alpha program, went to Rome and met with the pope. The pope and Gumbel agreed to a partnership to “evangelize together.” While some may believe that the Alpha program will evangelize Roman Catholics to the gospel according to the Scriptures, I can assure you that the Vatican's idea of evangelism is to win converts to the Roman Catholic Church and the Roman Catholic Jesus. The new evangelists who have made Rome their home provide all the evidence we need to prove this point."
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"Then continuing with these words that are prophetic in light of the apostasy prophesied in the Bible:
But at the grass roots level the Spirit may be doing a new, and even a greater creative work—bringing a new church out of the chaos of division. If a new Pentecost is germinating, it will produce a church unfettered by the old denominational, national, doctrinal and historical prejudices. The building of this new Church may be part of the “second spring” which Newman prophesied; a Second Spring in which old differences of the second millennium are buried once and for all, and a newly unified Church emerges ready for the challenge of the third millennium. [11]
When the Emerging Church finishes emerging, it will have merged with Rome, and the great delusion will have been accomplished."
Do you have any comments?
Lee Penn
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That's very .... leveling!
We respond not because, as we keep repeating, "we are on commission" nor that you believe m de P or not matters to him on a personal level, we respond, and in a public manner, to illustrate that most still....
Need to pray quite a bit more... for that vision needs sharpening.
Many continued Blessings!
I suspect my vision may always need sharpening. Perfection may or may not exist for us mere mortals, but the path is a rocky one.
My surprise was that one such as St. Francis, also considered himself to be 'normal' and acknowledged his failings, obviously after his elevation. It was a reinforcement, I guess.
I acknowledged your role and had an 'insight' to it years ago, as I have alluded to in the past.
I sin, I love, and I grow more saddened by the state of the world. I am a mere mortal with failings. I deepen my understanding of life and the world on an almost daily basis. So much, I wish to pass on of what I know.
I thank God for the gifts I have - my family, and the love I receive, which is returned a million fold from my true wife to be. I know there is a much deeper love that all of us have bestowed on us.
Life is good and we are blessed. I pray for enlightenment.
Bee / Bee Hive
The bee is symbolic of tireless activity. It represents a good work ethic and being diligent at it’s task. Because the worker bees are “virgins” it is symbolic of virginity/chastity. Because the bee appears to die in the winter and re-appear in the summer, it can symbolize rebirth. The bee’s hard work is connected to the beehive, which symbolizes order. The bee represents the Christian and the beehive then symbolizes the church. Legend also suggests that bees never sleep, thus it is a symbol of vigilance. (**)
If we tried we just could not make up what we report and announce... yet, How many people do believe us when we keep announcing that the "party", as we know it, "is just about over" and continue to call for prayer and penance as we have done before....Brethren, when people ask: What time is it? We must respond: It's about that time!
12 Now therefore saith the Lord: Be converted to me with all your heart, in fasting, and in weeping, and in mourning. 13 And rend your hearts, and not your garments, and turn to the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, patient and rich in mercy, and ready to repent of the evil. 14 Who knoweth but he will return, and forgive, and leave a blessing behind him, sacrifice and libation to the Lord your God? 15 Blow the trumpet in Sion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly, 16 Gather together the people, sanctify the church, assemble the ancients, gather together the little ones, and them that suck at the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth from his bed, and the bride out of her bride chamber. 17 Between the porch and the altar the priests the Lord's ministers shall weep, and shall say: Spare, O Lord, spare thy people: and give not thy inheritance to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them. Why should they say among the nations: Where is their God? [Joel 2]
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